@yusuf I have seen that my Medium posts seem to change quite dramatically, I had one post ranking at position 5 after 5 days then it disappeared completely. Another post hit position 60 after 7 days and stayed there, another suddenly appeared in position 4 after 7 days after being nowhere. Every day there are different websites moving up and down and sometimes quite big movements, really interested to see what happens when i start aiming some backlinks at a post with Partha
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my review is nowhere to be seen
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Is it indexed yet?
@rohanm Yes, I meant it’s not ranking.
@yusuf it’s definitely not a given you’ll rank. It’s a bit of a numbers game I think. Get lots of articles online and you may get 50% ranking. I’m seeing LinkedIn and Reddit ranking well for the target phrase and then a Medium review at #11 published May 25th which hasn’t been banned yet 
Hi Yusuf,
I just gave you 50 claps
@saratadros Many thanks Sara.
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What most people fail to understand, though, is that people who write negative reviews usually recommend alternatives, and that would be the ulterior motive in this case.
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I know you've never promoted WA before, ND potentially you've never gone through the Bootcamp training, but the above sentence ALWAYS makes me laugh when a Wealthy Affiliate member writes/says it.
In fact, there is a prominent member (also a member here) who I have seen say something like the above time-and-time again, something along the lines of:
"Have you noticed that negative WA reviews always offer an alternative product, so realistically they're just trying to earn affiliate commissions from another product without really knowing anything about WA"
Do you want to know why I laugh at that?
This is EXACTLY what the Bootcamp training taught WA members to do until the WA training had an overhaul LAST YEAR (in other words, for OVER A DECADE this is what WA was teaching, the ENTIRE Bootcamp process was "bait and switch", i.e. write 500 product reviews, slag off every product, and then offer WA as an alternative at the end"
IT'S TRUE!!! (and I don't even know what is said on Bootcamp anymore, but I'm guessing EVERY SINGLE REVIEW on a Bootcamp wesbite STILL OFFERS WA as a "better option")
It amazes me that so many WA members over the years have slagged off this tactic when people are wrting negative WA reviews, but it's perfectly acceptable for them to do for about 100-500 other products that are not WA.
I don't get it!!!!
(again, I know you haven't done the Bootcamp, so this isn't against YOU)
Anyway, I just wanted to get that across, but I'm sure there will be people within WA who will defend this tactic to the hilt, i.e. "No other people can't slag off WA and then offer an alternative, that's terrible and dishonest marketing BUT WE AT WA CAN DO IT IF WE WANT" (Honestly, I have seen the above "argument" over 1000 times over the years... again I don't get it, it's almost like saying, "if you murder someone you should go to jail, but if I murder someone it's fine, because I'm a member of WA"
What's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander... apparently!
ANYONE who is deeply offended by the above, PROVE ME WRONG!!!
Okay, as for "searcher intent", this is actually what GOOGLE THINKS people are searching for (user intent is actually what people are REALLY searching for, more often than not, the two will align, but if ever you see a complete change in the SERPs, this is because Google feels they got "searcher intent" wrong, usually because people AREN'T interacting with the content that is currently ranking).
Anyway, the point is that Nyall and Craig's reviews (Nyall has two, one on Reddit and the other on his site) have been the logest ranking reviews for the keyword "Wealthy Affiliate Reviews".
Pretty much every other result has changed during that time, except for those two (three) results.
Going back to what I've said above, and if a WA member can't see this they are too far gone for me to ever help.
The TrustPilot reviews are ALL because people have been told to go and make WA sound great, there is NOT a single TrustPilot review that says "I earned XXX dollars", they are all, well pretty much what we're used to, "it's the greatest trainig in the world, better than anything I've ever seen before, and I've been scammed a million times, the training works!!!!"
(I won;t talk about the recent "the training works" posts, yeah I'm aware, lol a 6-year member celebrating getting ONE visit from Google (it was probably a bot 🤣), other members of 2-3 years celebraiting being on page 5, etc.)
So, the TrustPilot reviews are "manipulated".
The same can be said for the Quora results, in fact, I even remember a highly successful WA member starting one of the threads, and then going to the comments section of WA to ask for loads of comments, and this was actively encouraged, and it's still ranking.
So, the main "positive" reviews have manipulated UGC platforms to rank.
Therefore, putting that content on Medium (Linkedin, Reddit, Quora, etc.) has a great chance of ranking.
However, I have a feeling that the NEGATIVE reviews will always rank at the top of the page (Google believes searcher intent is "I do not recommend WA")
I could be wrong, of course.
The other thing I've noted, sonce the spam update of a couple of weeks ago a lot of the "parasite"/UGC articles have changed.
I can't find Don on page two any more, but there are two new Medium articles.
Something to note is that both Medium articles are about ONE MONTH OLD (and one of them has absolutely NO social signals, i.e. no claps or comments).
Based on that, I would say to wait up to one month to see where you are.
That being said, I can't obviously say this for every niche (this is something that most people don't get taught, we tend to generalize, "how long does it take to rank?", but forget keyword competitiveness, it's often also the case that you can see differences niche-to-niche, so, and these are just examples, NOT EXACTS, a MMO article may take 2 weeks to index and rank, whereas a weight loss articles may index and rank on the same day as publication, whereas an article about relationships takes 6 weeks to index and another 3 weeks to rank, there are NO EXACTS. this is why it's so difficult to answer the questions "how long")
What I've personally noticed in VARIOUS niches but BEFORE the recent SPAM update (20th June - 27th June) is that articles either ranked in the top 20 results in the first week after publication or NOT AT ALL.
Obviously, I have also seen articles NOT follow this "rule", but in the main, I've noted that the Medium articles that do well are usually ranking within that first week.
Looking at your final comment about "authorattive domains", you'd like to think this is the case, and while I HAVE SEEN THIS many, many, many times with articles I have written on Medium, I have also seen the opposite, i.e the article isn't even indexed after a month.
Let's see what happens, I'll keep an eye out as well, but check out page two and you'll see two fairly new Medium articles there now.
@partha hahahaha laughed so hard at this, WA is like a cult:follow the training and you'll be rich! It amazes me too.
( I got an invite as well to write a review on Trustpilot in my mailbox, some time ago. Decided to wait with the review. Because at the start, I was honestly positive about WA, as I knew nothing about building a website, affiliate marketing, ads, socials, nothing nada. So for beginners, WA is great and I would have given it at least 4 stars on Trustpilot. Cheeky and clever though, the owners lol. But when I got hit a second time by google, and got mad over their hosting and such, decided to finally give a review on trustpilot. I'm hard to get mad, but at that point : djees, their support sucks, and they leave EVERYTHING TO THE COMMUNITY TO FIX THINGS. And getting ridiculous 'advice' from that same community. You and Diane and Andy were a few exceptions.
So, I gave a 3 star review. Got a message that Kyle didn't believe that I was a member, so I needed to prove it to Trustpilot. While my review was filled with details that a non member wouldn't know about. I talked about you and Diane and if you 2 weren't there, I wouldn't see much reasons to stay. So I proved that I was a member, wtf, and my review remained. For sure: most positive reviews are from beginners,not making any money, but who are impressed with their training and AI writer, thinking that this is the way they'll be rich. Gosh, have my eyes opened.)
@ohnoo_not_her Yeah, I agree with you. Trustpilot reviews are practically useless, that's why I explicitly said I won't go over them in my WA review.
@partha Alright, I'll give it a month and see how things are. Thank you Partha.
Totally with you on what you said about WA. Not sure if you saw it, but in my review, I did mention the downside of the ☀️🌈 sunshine-and-rainbows ☀️🌈 world many members tend to live in. I said that experienced members find it irritating. I was thinking of you when I wrote that. 😂
When I was talking about the bait-and-switch tactic, I wasn't necessarily criticising it or saying it was dishonest, I was just countering the idea that a negative review is seen as inherently more genuine since there's nothing to be promoted.
I was basically telling myself that both types of reviews (positive and negative) are trying to make money, so negative reviews shouldn't have this "genuine" edge.
The "Bait & Switch" Tactic - never heard it put quite like that but it is exactly how I joined WA, I was looking for info on another platform and the review recommended WA instead and if I had never joined WA I would never have met you happy people 🤣 🤣 👍 👍
Regarding ranking with Medium and LinkedIn, it definitely is a bit mad, I have just had one example where i wrote a review on medium and shared it to Linkedin, 2 days later my LinkedIn share is ranking in position 4 on Google but my Medium original is nowhere to be seen. I agree with Partha too that rankings are changing day by day but I have to stop checking and do some work instead
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I can't find Don on page two any more, but there are two new Medium articles.
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I have noticed the same. The negatives are now ranking ahead of the positives.
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but I have to stop checking and do some work instead
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Lol. Amen to that!
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"Bait & Switch" Tactic - never heard it put quite like that but it is exactly how I joined WA
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Me too! One of Jay's 'Gig Hustler' articles reeled me in. I must admit I lost my cool the other day. Had one too many beers celebrating the UK election result and then the 'Beer with Kyle' email came in. His grammar is getting a lot worse and much of the communication was clearly AI generated, barely even proof read.
It annoyed me he is still peddling false hope over there and can't even be bothered to write his own posts any more. Yet the masses keep lapping it up. To give him credit though, he actually responded to me and didn't just delete my comment (at least, last time I checked).
Anyway, note to self: do not get involved on WA 🤣
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I must admit I lost my cool the other day. Had one too many beers celebrating the UK election result and then the 'Beer with Kyle' email came in
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Funnily enough, I popped over yesterday to see what was happening, and then spotted your comment 🤣🤣🤣🤣
No comment!!!! Hahahahahha!!!
Actually, I will comment, to YOU, Rohan!!!
What is wrong with you, Rohan? Do you not realise... forget everything that is going on in the industry, forget what is plain to see with your OWN EYES, just keep writing "quality content", and Google will continue to punish affiliate marketing and ad revenue websites, EXCEPT for those at Wacky Affiliate - as far as I'm aware, Google has some type of secret, magical algorithm if your website is hosted with "the best hosting in the world", unfortunately, the "secret magical algorithm" isn't available to the rest of of us mere mortals.
Want proof, I also read a 6-year veteran, so let's break that down, someone who has paid approx. $50 per month for 72 months, so that's $3,600, is celebrating ONE organic search click (eeerm, sorry to burst your bubble luv, that was a bot).
New Partha Services:
Pay me $3,600 and I too will show how to get a bot to click on one of your articles in 6 years time.
Then again, for those who want faster results (I'm seeing a few of the 18-monthers coming out with this, and PP members too, so approx $1,800)
Pay me $1,800 and I too will show you how to rank of page 7 in about a year and a half's time.
I honestly don't believe my sarcasm is appreciated as greatly as it should be!!! 🤣🤣🤣
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To give him credit though, he actually responded to me and didn't just delete my comment (at least, last time I checked).
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You might want to check again.
@partha what can I say, when you already nailed it 100% 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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I honestly don't believe my sarcasm is appreciated as greatly as it should be!!! 🤣🤣🤣
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You could probably ramp it up a notch ... lol. Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit ... but it's bloody hilarious.
So much opportunity for sarcasm with anything remotely WA related ...
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You might want to check again.
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Ha! OK I take it all back ... ha ha ha ... Cheers Kyle 🍺
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but I have to stop checking and do some work instead
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Lol. Amen to that!
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"Bait & Switch" Tactic - never heard it put quite like that but it is exactly how I joined WA
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Me too! One of Jay's 'Gig Hustler' articles reeled me in. I must admit I lost my cool the other day. Had one too many beers celebrating the UK election result and then the 'Beer with Kyle' email came in. His grammar is getting a lot worse and much of the communication was clearly AI generated, barely even proof read.
It annoyed me he is still peddling false hope over there and can't even be bothered to write his own posts any more. Yet the masses keep lapping it up. To give him credit though, he actually responded to me and didn't just delete my comment (at least, last time I checked).
Anyway, note to self: do not get involved on WA 🤣
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Are you 'romaca' on WA now? Now that was a straightforward answer (needed to look for it all the way down haha)
I unfollowed Kyle, but he keeps showing up in my mailbox, and I don't even take the time anymore to watch his vids or texts, it's just enjoying me right now lol
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You might want to check again.
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Ha! OK I take it all back ... ha ha ha ... Cheers Kyle 🍺
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Ohw, I missed it hahaha darn
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Are you 'romaca' on WA now?
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Yeah ... free account. I only re-signed up to try and get in touch with Partha because I discovered he was leaving WA.
The only reason I stayed with WA for so long was because I wanted to keep up with what Partha was posting on there - Kyle's burblings rarely interested me.
I learned more from Partha in 8 months or so than WA could have ever taught me. In fact I only saw success ranking pages on Google after using Partha's methods. Jaaxy keyword research was just a massive fail.
Anyway ... bed time!
It's funny how this forum has turned into a rant about WA and Kyle, especially from some people (Hi Jonathan) who you would think are best friends with him when you see them chatting on WA. 😂😂